What are we to do?
Last article stressed the importance of understanding the complete picture of topics found in the Bible. The Christian should never pit the Bible against itself to make it contradict direct teachings found within its pages. Taking the sum of all the parts should form the complete picture, without discounting individual parts or opposing one particular part with another part. This is true with the teachings of salvation, and is likewise true in regards to the teachings of judging. The word Judge is used in a variety of ways within the New Testament. The word, depending upon the context, could mean to choose between right and wrong, decide an action to be righteous or unrighteous, to come to a conclusion, or to condemn or bring condemnation by pronouncing a sentence upon an individual. While the first three options are synonymous, the last option is altogether different. Our God uses the word in both ways in his teachings regarding judging.
We, as Christians, are commanded by Jesus himself to judge. The Bibles states, in John 7:24, “Judge not according to appearance, but judge righteous judgment.” Jesus tells us that we must judge things not according to what they may or may not look like, but judge righteously, in regards to truth, in regards to what the Bible says. Jesus also spoke concerning himself in John 5:30, “I can of myself do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is righteous; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.” This is a principle that we as Christians are obligated to adopt for our own lives as well. We cannot judge according to what we wish, nor can we judge in regards to anything other than God’s will. As we understand the Bible and the teachings found therein, we must judge according to what we hear, judge things as righteous or unrighteous in regards to what the Lord has spoken, not according to appearance or our own desires. We must be able to tell the difference, or come to a conclusion, between actions that are sinful and contrary to the word of God and actions that are righteous.
Many would claim that telling an individual that their actions are sinful is being judgmental and therefore likewise sinful. People claim that ‘judge not’ means ‘do not tell me I am wrong’! This conclusion is wrong and in direct opposition to the teachings of the Bible. We must judge things either sinful or not sinful, according to what God has spoken on the subject, and warn people about the sin in their lives. Consider II Timothy 2:24-26 where Paul states; “And the Lord's servant must not strive, but be gentle towards all, apt to teach, forbearing, in meekness correcting them that oppose themselves; if peradventure God may give them repentance unto the knowledge of the truth, and they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, having been taken captive by him unto his will.” How can we correct those that oppose themselves if we cannot tell them what they are doing is wrong? How can people recover themselves from the devil’s snare if it is judging, and therefore wrong, to tell someone they are living in sin? Likewise, Christians are told to do the same thing for wayward Christians; Galatians 6:1, “Brethren, even if a man be overtaken in any trespass, ye who are spiritual, restore such a one in a spirit of gentleness; looking to thyself, lest thou also be tempted.” How can we restore the wayward Christian if we cannot tell them that they are wrong? The simple truth is that Christians are obligated to judge according to what God has said, preaching the difference between right and wrong, and warning people who are living wrong and in danger of loosing their souls. (The verses proving that teaching the lost and restoring the fallen are to numerous to list in this article. James 5, I Cor. 5, II Cor. 2, II Thess. 3, Rom. 15, Matt. 28, Mk. 16, II Tim. 2 etc. just to name a very few.)
In contrast to this idea we find the second definition of the word ‘judge’ in the Bible. People, in their quest to defend their evil actions, time and again refer to Matthew 7 and John 8 to make the claim that Christians cannot judge. It is likely that a Christian telling a lost soul, or a wayward Christian, that their actions are sinful will be quoted Matthew 7:1, “Judge not, that ye be not judged.” Why people pit the Bible against itself to make it contradict itself is unknown to this author. Please take a moment to read both Matthew 7:1-5 and John 8:3-11. In both contexts the people are scolded and taught that judging another person guilty of the same action that you are doing is a great sin. Hypocrisy is a sinful action that the Lord hates. In John 8:3-11 Jesus condemns the sin of both the people and the woman taken in adultery. Jesus condemns the hypocrites who were trying to trick him. Jesus condemns the adultery. Jesus, not being a witness to the adultery, could not bring the death sentence upon the woman, as Deuteronomy 22 teaches. The parallel to Matthew 7:1-5 is Luke 6:37-44ff. This passage likewise condemns judging people while doing the very actions that you are judging against. This is hypocrisy! This is the key point to Christ’s condemnation of the Pharisees! Not that they were telling the people that they were living in sin, but that they were telling the people they were sinful while they themselves committed the very same actions. Romans 2:1-3, “Wherefore thou art without excuse, O man, whosoever thou art that judgest: for wherein thou judges another, thou condemnest thyself; for thou that judgest dost practise the same things. And we know that the judgment of God is according to truth against them that practise such things. And reckonest thou this, O man, who judgest them that practise such things, and doest the same, that thou shalt escape the judgment of God?” The Pharisees also held the common Jew to a higher standard then they themselves were willing to be held to, Matthew 23:2-7. This is exactly why Jesus states that a person will be judged according to their own standards, when those standard exceed or contradict the standards of God himself.
As Christians we must not speak evil of others and count them as enemies. This idea is contrary to the teachings of Christ. No Christian has the right or authority to tell an individual, ‘you are a lousy sinner who is going straight to hell!’. However, we are obligated to say ‘your soul is in jeopardy for living in sin, you need to make it right with God.’ There is a huge difference between condemning someone to hell and meekly teaching them the right ways of the Lord. As Christians we must judge. We must be able to preach the difference between right and wrong. We must kindly, meekly, and humbly correct those in sin by boldly saying that their actions are sinful, hating the sin and loving the sinner. Finally, consider the inspired writer, Jude 1:20-23, “But ye, beloved, building up yourselves on your most holy faith, praying in the Holy Spirit, keep yourselves in the love of God, looking for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ unto eternal life. And on some have mercy, who are in doubt; and some save, snatching them out of the fire; and on some have mercy with fear; hating even the garment spotted by the flesh.”

61 Comments:
Amen James! Judging one's actions to be wrong is okay. Josh, I think you did a good job pointing that out. Where one is at fault and actually sinning is when they start judging someone's heart and soul. That is NOT for us to do, only for God Himself. So if a Baptist or other type of congregation believes in something we think is in error, we are NOT to judge their hearts (such as saying that they are lost), because we do NOT have the authority from God to do that. We can say, "I disagree with them. I think they are in error on this subject," but that is it.
May 21, 2005 8:52 AM
It goes both ways. Some of said that they know Baptists who are saved. If you can say that you know someone is saved why can't you say that you know someone is lost? Whenever we make a statement like this it must be based on the Bible. For instance, we can say fornicators, idolaters, adulterers, homosexuals, sodomites, thieves, covetous, drunkards, revilers, or extortioners will not be in heaven because Paul tells us this in 1 Cor. 6:9-10. We can also say that those who have never been baptized for the remission of sins will not be in heaven because they have never come into contact with the blood of Jesus (Rom. 6:4-5). The Bible informs us that some will be lost and then we are told why they will be lost. Those who say people who disobey God are lost are only recognizing the facts presented in the Bible.
May 21, 2005 10:38 AM
Jam 5:19-20 My brethren, if any among you err from the truth, and one convert him;let him know, that he who converteth a sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall cover a multitude of sins.
Obviously James wants us to tell people when they are wrong so they will not be lost....You can call it excitement if you wish or you can call it love because we don't want them to be lost. If you are wrong and I know it and don't tell you .....your blood is on my hands!
May 21, 2005 1:58 PM
James,
How do you know what we would be willing to do and what we would not? I know Josh has talked to Baptists before about the error of their ways and so have I. I go door to door in my community from time to time trying to reach out to all the lost. Just because we talk about error on a blog does not mean we are not willing to talk to people who believe or teach that very same error. You have made a blanket accusation without any evidence that simply is not true.
May 21, 2005 2:25 PM
Judging someone's actions is okay. Judging someone's heart is strictly forbidden.
May 21, 2005 10:45 PM
It bothers me that this notion that you can't criticize someone else has entered the Church. Now we can't criticize denominations because now some may actually be saved!
Unity does not equal tolerance!
May 22, 2005 8:16 PM
James wrote in part:
"There are people who are content with the notion that they are right and everyone else is wrong and they are all to eager to condemn people to hell rather than reaching out to them in love to try to teach them."
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James you are not the first, and unfortunately not the last, I have heard make such statements.
I have a really hard time accepting your statement that ANYONE is EAGER for someone to go to hell.
I believe you have mis-characterized people and their intentions.
The desire to uphold the truth and to defend it in no way equates to this image.
May 23, 2005 3:52 PM
Then why do such editors take such pleasure in the position as one who "writes up" others because they are wrong? Why are they proud of this? I'm not saying we can't publicly oppose error, but I know too many editors and "writer-uppers" that LOVE what they do.
May 23, 2005 4:48 PM
Thanks James! WE all need to learn the aspect of LOVING others. It is not our job to condemn. In fact, it is a sin. Let's reach out to those who are heading down the wrong path rather than push them away.
May 23, 2005 7:30 PM
"It is actually reported that there is fornication among you, and of a kind that is not tolerated even among pagans, for a man has his father's wife. And you are arrogant! Ought you not rather to mourn? Let him who has done this be removed from among you. For though absent in body, I am present in spirit; and as if present, I have already pronounced judgment on the one who did such a thing. When you are assembled in the name of the Lord Jesus and my spirit is present, with the power of our Lord Jesus, you are to deliver this man to Satan for the destruction of the flesh, so that his spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord. Your boasting is not good. Do you not know that a little leaven leavens the whole lump? Therefore purge out the old leaven that you may be a new lump, as you really are unleavened. For Christ, our Passover lamb, has been sacrificed. Let us therefore celebrate the festival, not with the old leaven, the leaven of malice and evil, but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth. I wrote to you in my letter not to associate with fornicators--not at all meaning the fornicators of this world, or the greedy and swindlers, or idolaters, since then you would need to go out of the world. But now I am writing to you not to associate with anyone who bears the name of brother if he is guilty of fornication or greed, or is an idolater, reviler, drunkard, or swindler--not even to eat with such a one. For what have I to do with judging outsiders? Is it not those inside the church whom you are to judge? God judges those outside. "Purge the evil person from among you."
1 Corinthians 5
One problem in the church today is that there is a lack of church discipline. We could cause someone to go to hell if they are involved in one of the sins listed above and they continue to come to worship every Sunday thinking everything is OK. Church discipline is sometimes necessary to save a soul. Paul writes "When you are assembled in the name of the Lord Jesus and my spirit is present, with the power of our Lord Jesus, you are to deliver this man to Satan for the destruction of the flesh, so that his spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord." The purpose of disciplining a person who is involved in a terrible sin is to save their soul. Sometimes this is the toughest thing a person can do and the reason it is done is because of love for a lost soul.
May 24, 2005 7:04 AM
Anonymous wrote in part:
"Then why do such editors take such pleasure in the position as one who "writes up" others because they are wrong? Why are they proud of this? I'm not saying we can't publicly oppose error, but I know too many editors and "writer-uppers" that LOVE what they do."
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Anonymous you are not only a coward hiding your identity, but you are a hypocrite because you are criticizing and writing up those who do what you are condemning. HELLO!!
You have made comments about them you cannot know...saying they are "proud" and "love" it.
At least those men when they write someone up... they don't leave others guessing about what their concerns are, nor do they themselves hide behind anonymity or false names.
Think about it!
May 24, 2005 9:36 AM
Sadly, James I believe you are right. Church discipline is difficult today especially when one congregation can withdrawl fellowship from an individual but that individual is able to go down the street and attend another congregation. However, that does not mean we just need to abandon the idea of church discipline. By allowing a member of the church who is involved in a publicly known sin to stay in fellowship with the congregation they attend is allowing the body of Christ to be defiled and not doing what we are commanded to do.
If a person is disfellowshipped and they go on to another congregation then the congregation who disfellowshipped the individual did what they were supposed to do. If the congregation down the street accepts the person as a member knowing the sin they are involved in then that congregation is not doing what they have been commanded to do.
May 24, 2005 11:15 AM
Where is the word "disfellowship" in the bible?? Is it anywhere close to the verse that says "rapture"?? The bible tells us to "withdraw yourselves". We don't kick them out we withdraw ourselves. I think a congregation must have an environment of love so that the one who is withdrawn from will be missing something and will desire being restored to fellowship. I think to many people are turned off to the bible teaching on discipline because we've done too much "excommunicating" and "disfellowshipping". Withdrawing from someone requires an attitude by the one who is withdrawing to be willing and ready to restore one. We have too many kicker outers and not enough withdrawers.
May 24, 2005 2:07 PM
Being anonymous doesn't mean you are a coward at all. Ohh yeah, Johnny, you're so big and bad, so brave and courageous, by posting your name at the bottom of a BLOG ENTRY! You truly are my hero. Give me a break. Those who post anonymously have reasons to do so. Why don't you respect that? That allows people to focus on the principle more than the person anyway.
P.S. I'm not the anonymous that Johnny addressed above, but despite Johnny's "heroic effort," I think I will remain anonymous.
May 24, 2005 2:25 PM
LOL...
Thanks for the compliments.
Anonymity is a way to protect one's self from accountability and responsibility.
The willingness to put my name at the end of a post on a blog is a statement of honesty and ownership. It has nothing to do with heroics.
Many of the other folks on here are more than willing to give their names as well.
Scott
Josh
John Bellah
Pat
James
etc...
May 24, 2005 3:08 PM
Good for you. Others don't share your same opinion on the matter.
May 24, 2005 3:59 PM
Anonymity is also a good way to keep one's name from ending up in a "gospel paper" because he/she chose to participate in an online discussion and someone didn't agree with him/her.
If you don't believe me, read some comments on Curt's blog where "preacher Brant" wrote that he decided to write an article on Curt because he didn't like his online comments (or lack thereof).
I'd love to be able to say what I think and put my name on it, but I don't want to be blackballed.
May 24, 2005 6:08 PM
James,
I know that most people call it disfellowship. I just think we should use bible terms to describe something. Its not that you exclude them, you exclude yourself from them. Thats withdrawing. We can argue over what the terms mean all day. My point is "withdraw" is in the bible, disfellowship is not.
May 24, 2005 8:23 PM
I am very curious. I want all participents to know that I, the author, have not been on my blogpage since last saturday. I have not removed any posts either. Has this happened to anyone else that has a blog? I wonder if someone is playing games, or has my password.
Anyway, very curious. I welcome all comments, and I will not delete any (save for filthy language, etc.) even if they adamantly disagree with my positions.
May 25, 2005 2:30 PM
Some choose to post anonymously because it appears that some readers are more interested in personalities than they are issues. We also don't want to be "written up" just for posing honest questions. It is sad to see some names appearing in every other entry on this and other blogs. It appears that some of you have too much time on your hands to be reading and responding to every blog. Mostly, it appears to be the blogs that argue against things. It is sad that churches of Christ are more defined by what they oppose than by what they are for. It creates the appearance that there would be nothing to teach if it weren't for denomoniations who provide "us" with some type of subject to debate. There is plenty to teach about Christ and his calling for the church today! Maybe if we would start going on offense with the gospel rather than reading denominational and attack dog papers about others, we would have more time to teach the saving message of Christ! The world needs to know what we stand for, not just what we stand against. Jeremiah was told to tear down AND build up. Some of you seem to be stuck in the "tear down" mode of things.
May 26, 2005 8:04 AM
Is this not being on the offense? Going after false doctrines? False doctrines are the devil's best weapon, next to christians that will not stand up against them.
May 26, 2005 5:33 PM
John Bellah, stop splitting hairs. You know very well that to withdraw from someone you would have to be the one that left. If I withdraw from our friendship, I walk away and you are left standing. In a disfellowship scenario, the total congregation is not the one walking away, but pushing the unrepentant sinner away. Deliver him over to Satan sounds a lot like "kick him out of your fellowship," or am I wrong. How could you "deliver one over to Satan" if they stayed in your fellowship. Therefore, disfellowshipping, is in the Bible. Maybe not the exact word, but the practice.
May 26, 2005 6:11 PM
Being on the offensive means preaching Christ and him crucified. So many "preachers" wouldn't have anything to say unless they heard about a false doctrine somewhere. We must confront false doctrine when it threatens our congregations. However, we have plenty of things to discuss without mentioning false teaching in every sermon. When we allow false teachers to detract from the message of Christ, we are allowing them to defeat us.
May 27, 2005 7:55 AM
Pat what do you suppose you would do if that person refused to leave?
May 27, 2005 2:22 PM
Anonymous whines in part:
"So many "preachers" wouldn't have anything to say unless they heard about a false doctrine somewhere. ... However, we have plenty of things to discuss without mentioning false teaching in every sermon."
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Given the fact that preachers understand the need to preach "The Whole Counsel of God" and that it is unhealthy for themselves and the congregation to ride a hobby...it is a pathetic caricature to indict preachers the way the above statement does.
There are thousands of congregations with preachers. The average preacher prepares at least 200 lessons per year counting classes and sermons. This is more if he writes a bulletin article or speaks on radio, etc.
I would venture to say that the NO preacher has the majority of his lesssons on exposing false doctrine.
The writer must not know very many preachers very well. Most whom I know have much to say outside the arena of exposing error.
May 27, 2005 8:19 PM
I agree Johnny. I would like to know how many preachers anonymous knows personally who do this? You would have to be at nearly every service of a congregation to be able to make this kind of statement and that would mean anonymous would have to be attending a congregation that did this or attended one in the past. My guess is this is another blanket false accusation.
May 28, 2005 8:44 AM
Yes, James, you are exactly right!
May 28, 2005 9:43 AM
I think the problem is the perception of the one listening to the sermons if they claim a preacher is well known for it. I think maybe they are well known for it because liberal fanny fluffers and those who are just concerned about their pay aren't doing it at all.
May 28, 2005 7:27 PM
"liberal fanny fluffers"
Way to engage in Christian dialogue. Your words speak volumes about you.
May 28, 2005 10:29 PM
I do not have to personally go to Billy Graham before I mark him as a false teacher. In fact I will probably never meet Billy Graham but my members might hear one of his sermons or read what he writes in the paper. The problem with the people James is speaking about is that they are more likely to fellowship the denominations than they are to inform them they are wrong. I doubt that people like Mark Henderson who fellowship the baptist church, Billy Graham, and Crossings community church ever tell them they have a wrong view on baptism.
May 29, 2005 10:36 AM
Scott, how do you know? Maybe they do! Maybe the Bible says to unite in Christ, and it is not talking about just the Churches of Christ, but the Church as a whole! Let me ask you a question. Who did Jesus fellowship with a lot of the time while he was here? Yes, he fellowshipped with his apostles and disciples. But I'll tell you who else he made a point to fellowship with. Prostitutes. Dishonest tax collectors (who were viewed as losers during the day)(You might remember a little story in the Bible about a little man named Zaccheus). I can just as easily label YOU as a false teacher for making such a claim that Billy Graham is a false teacher and Mark Henderson is wrong for fellowshipping with him and other Baptist churches. Thank God some people realize that the realm of the church goes outside the doors of the denomination of the Church of Christ!
May 29, 2005 12:07 PM
"And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather expose them" (Eph. 5:11)
"Whoever transgresses and does not abide in the doctrine of Christ does not have God. He who abides in the doctrine of Christ has both the Father and the Son. If anyone comes to you and does not bring this doctrine, do not receive him into your house nor greet him; for he who greets him shares in his evil deeds." (2 John 9-11)
May 29, 2005 12:30 PM
"liberal fanny fluffers"
Way to engage in Christian dialogue. Your words speak volumes about you.
Liberal fanny fluffers=Liberals who refuse to convict members of sin making them feel comfortable on their backsides in a pew while they continue in sin= fluffing the fanny
May 29, 2005 1:22 PM
I noticed that you have a link to Apologetics press on your blog. What do you know about the shake up there with Bert Thompson? I was shocked to hear about him....
May 29, 2005 1:45 PM
Build up one another for once, you said "But I'll tell you who else he made a point to fellowship with. Prostitutes. Dishonest tax collectors (who were viewed as losers during the day)(You might remember a little story in the Bible about a little man named Zaccheus"
Are you implying that Jesus participated in their evil deeds? Fellowship is not eating together as people have made it out to be. It is joint participation.
Billy Graham is a false teacher no doubt. He does not teach the plan of salvation thereby causing millions of souls to remain in their sins. He is a wicked man for that.
May 29, 2005 2:12 PM
Isn't that interesting. James already knows who will be in heaven.
May 29, 2005 5:11 PM
What a stupid statement, Anonymous. James feels that being a Christian involves more people than just the worshippers at a Church of Christ. Many who write on here do not believe anyone else will go to heaven but those in the Church of Christ. I agree with him in thinking that many will be shocked to know that those who they accused of being a false teacher will meet them in heaven one day. Based on what I have read and studied in Scripture, I do not see where one has to be a member of the denomination of the Church of Christ.
P.S. I thank God for Billy Graham. For anyone to bring that many people to a realization of God, even if he might be wrong in certain teachings (just like Scott has admitted earlier that he has preached sermons before that he wouldn't agree with now), is truly a blessing from God! He is not a false teacher. He is not the works of darkness like Ephesians 5:11 says. These are people not in the Church, so basically, workers of Satan. To say Billy Graham is a worker of Satan is true foolishness.
May 29, 2005 6:13 PM
Friends,
Please remember to speak kindly one to another and do so in love. Please discuss, especially your differences, but do so with respect and in a Christ like manner. Remember, positions, not personalities. I would like to ask everyone, especially my anonymous commenters, to ease up on your tone, and don't be so degrading and hostile.
Those in error must be confronted, boldly and sternly, but not disrepectfully and hatefully. Those shown to be in error should be as James states, "slow to wrath, quick to hear".
God Bless and read my newest blog!
May 29, 2005 6:51 PM
I placed the Apologetics Press link on there when I first made this blog.
I heard that Dr. Bert Thompson repented of his sin. No more should be said or spread around like gossip.
Many writers at Apologetics Press have written many great Christian Apologetics papers. The truth is there and strong, even if one of the founders/writers/figureheads has stumbled and sinned. Remember, he has repented, end of story.
May 29, 2005 6:58 PM
Billy Graham is a worker of Satan and a worker of darkness.
If he does not tell people how to have their sins washed away KNOWING that Acts 2:38 is in the Bible he is evil.
May 29, 2005 7:06 PM
Billy Graham has studied the Bible more than anyone on this blog. No doubt about that. He doesn't disregard Acts 2:38. People act as though those not in the Church of Christ just disregard parts of the Bible about baptism. This isn't true. They use evidence from the Bible to support their beliefs about the issue, just as we use Scripture to support our beliefs. They know how important it is. He is not a worker of Satan. It's outrageous that you would put Billy Graham and Marilyn Manson on the same level.
May 29, 2005 7:14 PM
Please explain how Billy Graham does not disregard Acts 2:38. This should be interesting. Does it ever occur to anyone that you can not make the same passage of scripture contradict itself. How foolish. Just because they "have scrpture" doesn't make them use it correctly. Of course I will be awaiting the accusations of how I am misusing scripture because I know that is your only arguement.
May 29, 2005 10:46 PM
You're right. We "have Scripture," but that doesn't mean we interpret it the way that it was meant to be interpreted in some situations. Can you get two truthful conclusions out of the same verse? Most definitely. If you follow one conclusion, does that make you wrong? Or what if you follow the other conclusion? The answer is no, both are right. To make the Bible a black-and-white book will seriously hamper your understanding of Scripture.
As far as Billy Graham goes, you will just have to keep waiting for a response, my friend. Or perhaps get on his website or listen to his sermons to see what he has to say. I am not Billy Graham, so I don't want you to judge him (it is not your place to do that anyway) based on what I say. I am very thankful for the man in making millions of people aware of God, Jesus, and Christianity in a society where it is very difficult to do so.
May 31, 2005 10:39 AM
Mormons, Jehovah Witnesses, and even Muslims make people aware of God and Jesus. Are you saying that they should be commended for doing this as well?
May 31, 2005 10:56 AM
Absolutely. The more aware someone is of God/Jesus/Christianity, the better.
May 31, 2005 11:06 AM
One of the Anonymous writers wrote:
"Can you get two truthful conclusions out of the same verse? Most definitely. If you follow one conclusion, does that make you wrong? Or what if you follow the other conclusion? The answer is no, both are right. To make the Bible a black-and-white book will seriously hamper your understanding of Scripture."
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This whole notion is absolutely absurd. It destroys the very concept of truth. Truth is knowable. This denies the existence of sound reasoning.
Of course the Bible is black and white. God meant every word He said.
Yes, to follow error makes you wrong.
May 31, 2005 2:50 PM
I have no doubt that on a personal level Billy Graham is a wonderful person. He seems to have impecible character. Unlike many "televangelists" he has conducted his affairs ethically and morally. We hear nothing about money or women scandals.
BUT, Billy Graham (as educated as he is) does not publically ...if at all...teach the truth on the gospel plan of salvation. He teaches faith only and the sinner's prayer.
I have read many of his columns and have a couple of his books. My heart aches for him and those whom he has influenced.
The problem with presenting an incomplete or erroneous version of the plan of salvation is that people become inoculated/vaccinated agains the real one. This makes it very difficult to teach people the way more perfectly.
May 31, 2005 3:06 PM
I believe what the Bible says is Truth. The whole belief of seeing how people can interpret Scripture differently does not undermine knowing the Truth at all. I can take something out of a verse that you might not see at all, but because of our understanding of Scripture, we realize that both conclusions are part of Truth.
Saying all issues the Bible deals with are not black-and-white has nothing to do with if God meant every word He said. The words of the Bible are there for a reason, and all Scripture is God-breathed. I agree with you there completely. But I don't know how you are proving your point there. My point is that there are a LOT of gray matters in the Bible. And God knows this. That's why Paul writes about "disputable matters" in Romans 14. People will come to different conclusions, but that does not make those conclusions necessarily wrong. I can come up with a whole list of gray matters if you want me to, and I would be more than willing to post these later if you want.
If you follow error, you may be wrong, but that does not make you lost. I have read many of the things you have posted on here, Johnny, and I believe you are in error in many things that you say. However, I do not believe you are lost. First of all, it is not my place to judge your soul, only God's. And second of all, I see your devotion to Christ and how adamant you are about following Him. But I share the same passion concerning living for Christ, yet I come up with different conclusions than you. So who is in error? You or me? And if you are in error, then are you lost? Are you a false teacher? Based on what I have studied, I realize that God is a merciful, compassionate God who saves us through his grace. Without his grace, for example, baptism would just be getting wet in water. God doesn't HAVE to give us salvation, He chooses to, thankfully because of his love and grace. I feel that if I am honestly and mistakenly in error and I will not know it until after my life is over, that God's magnificent grace I have read about thousands of times in the Bible, still has the power to save me.
May 31, 2005 3:08 PM
Anonymous wrote in part:
"I feel that if I am honestly and mistakenly in error and I will not know it until after my life is over, that God's magnificent grace I have read about thousands of times in the Bible, still has the power to save me."
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Notice what Jesus said:
"Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father who is in heaven.
Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy by thy name, and by thy name cast out demons, and by thy name do many mighty works?
And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity."
(Matthew 7:21-23, ASV)
May 31, 2005 3:21 PM
You forgot one key element in your response. The fact that I have read the Bible and the New Testament and have done everything in my being to obey the commands of Jesus Christ my Savior.
May 31, 2005 3:26 PM
Were not those who prophesied, cast out demons, and did many mighty works, also not trying to do everything to obey the commands of Jesus? Many Mormons do everything in thier being to obey what they believe are the commands of Jesus. Many Jehovah Witnesses do everything in their being to obey what they believe are the commands of Jesus. Can we believe anything but as long as we do everything in our being to obey those commands will we be OK?
May 31, 2005 4:18 PM
I think that if we do everything in our being to obey the commands of Jesus (Mormons believe in the teachings of Joseph Smith and take The Book of Mormon as the authoritative text to the Bible in many cases) then there is no way we cannot follow Jesus Christ and obey his commands.
May 31, 2005 4:50 PM
That is not what Mormons claim. They claim Joseph Smith is a prophet and they claim to believe in the same gospel that Christians believe in.
May 31, 2005 5:30 PM
Right, but Joseph Smith is believed to be a newer prophet than Jesus, and therefore, his writings take precedence.
May 31, 2005 6:59 PM
Is not Paul a later prophet than Jesus and we use his writings as authoritative. What is the difference?
May 31, 2005 8:09 PM
What are you saying? Your argument makes no sense. Didn't Paul reaffirm the things and commands that Jesus gave? He was obedient to Christ's will for us. Doesn't Joseph Smith's teachings contradict many of the things that the Bible says? The answer is yes it does. Paul living later than Jesus has nothing to do with it. It's the fact that Joseph Smith teaches something different than what Christ teaches.
May 31, 2005 8:45 PM
I heart Jesus.
June 01, 2005 10:33 AM
Me too!
June 01, 2005 1:43 PM
Well, Josh, I expect your blog to get a lot more traffic now that Scott has made anonymous posting unavailable on his blog. I hope that you will allow anonymous posting, because it has been discussed a number of times for the reasons people choose to do this, including myself. People do this so that those refuting what they say will be focused more on principles than people, and I think posting anonymously helps achieve that. To make it unavailable is not respecting these peoples' opinions in the least concerning the matter. Thank you for letting me post and express my ideas using an anonymous name.
June 01, 2005 2:14 PM
James said, "I think real men would have the courage to bring their issues directly to the person rather than condemn them from afar in the presence of people who think like the one preaching."
James,
Do you really believe Jesus went to the Scribes and Pharisees before His scathing denunciation of them in Matthew 23?
When one preaches against the doctrine of salvation by "faith-only" must he first go to every person in town who believes that doctrine?
June 02, 2005 1:54 PM
There are three criteria which determine if a prophet is false.
1. Does his doctrine agree or contradict already proven revelation?
2. Do his predictions come to pass?
3. Does his doctrine lead one away from allegiance to the one true God?
June 02, 2005 3:49 PM
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